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בתגובה ל: ארכיון 1: שאל את ארינגו: תהליך הקבלה #2924
To: bs_liat
Liat,
Schools are looking for a diversity in backgrounds. Not everyone as a managerial background perse.
You'd be surprised by how many people with your background, i.e. pharmaceutical sales, are applying (and get accepted), especially to schools who have a concentration in healthcare. My class had at least 6….
Danny
בתגובה ל: ארכיון 1: ???Any Israeli Applicants #2639To: omri
Omer,
Feel free to contact the financial aid department immedietaly.
The decision whether to grant a scholarship is made regardless of the application round. It is extremely difficult to get one, especially if you're international.
The loan will cover the full tuition and you'll have to come up with the extra money for living expenses. However, one HUGE adventage that Durham has is that the cost of living is low. You can get a one bedroom apartment for $500-600.
Danny
בתגובה ל: ארכיון 1: ???Any Israeli Applicants #2634To: omri
Hi Omer,
Congratulations. You join a group of 7 other lucky applicants who had been accepted to Fuqua.
I'm sure you're going to have a hell of a time.
In terms of financial aid. The best source is the financial aid department at the school. However, if I were you I would not build up any expectations in terms of receiving a scholarship. Your best bet is to apply for the student loan, which can go up to the full amount of tuition.
בתגובה ל: ארכיון 1: ???Any Israeli Applicants #2619To: IchiBan
I wasn't reffering to European schools.
Most peole study in the US anyways.
בתגובה ל: ארכיון 1: ???Any Israeli Applicants #2600In reply to Gilam from March 18 2004 on 12:01
I concur. One can save money immidiately after graduation, even when living in New York (myslef for example).
It's almost always a positive NPV project.
For those considering a 1 year MBA, I would caution them about the value recruiters perceive that program to have.
Lastly, when one returns to Israel, it should be at a point where they gained enough valuable experience in the US. In my mind it's not smart to decide right off the bat to go back after X years. It's a question of what you bring back.
בתגובה ל: ארכיון 1: ???Any Israeli Applicants #2599In reply to omri from March 18 2004 on 16:50
Omer,
The chances of not getting a job after graduating a top business school, and especially with your experience, are slim-to-non.
Speaking from my experience at Duke, and bear in mind I graduated in one of the most difficult years for MBAs in terms of recruiting, I haven't had a problem finding a job as an international nor did other international friends.
The US economy is picking up fast and by the time you'll graduate it will be at its peak. Companies are going to fighting over good candidtaes as I heard already happens this year.
Non of the Israelis I know who graduated from a top school has returned to Israel, unless they wanted to.
Danny
בתגובה ל: ארכיון: התקבלת? אנא עדכן #2562In reply to orieyal from March 06 2004 on 19:09
Ori,
At Duke there are currently 8 MBAs, 2 LLMs, 5 PhDs and 3 Post docs. On top, there are 5 Israeli professors.
Other than that there is an Israeli community in Raleigh and Carry (all three cities are in the triangle area, about 10 miles apart) who work for various high tech companies in the triangle. The community is pretty tight and celebrates some of the holidays together.
Danny
In reply to omri from February 01 2004 on 10:13
Omer,
It's a gradual process that has started this year and will continue next year as well.
This year they increased the class size by about 60-70 people and Fuqua has the same number for next year. Thy final goal is to get to a class size of 450-500 students.
In reply to omri from January 30 2004 on 20:47
Omer,
Fuqua interviews are not mandatory, but highly recommended. That means that an interview invitation for itself does not imply anything about your application. All decisions are mailed out on the same day.
You can interview in Israel with an alum currently living in Israel.
Let me know if you have any other questions.
Dan
בתגובה ל: ארכיון 1: ???Any Israeli Applicants #1916In reply to nimo2003 from January 18 2004 on 17:36
The last two years were not easy in terms of recruiting, but definitely not impossible.
To me, it all depends on the industry you're looking at and the efforts one is willing to put into the job search.
The industries most impacted were I-banking and consulting, which by the way are on he way to full recovery. Other industries kept on coming although they have taken less people. The salaries were nt changed as well as the sign in bonus.
בתגובה ל: ארכיון: התקבלת? אנא עדכן #1826In reply to gbiron from January 14 2004 on 17:19
With all due respect, what are you basing your conclusion on?
I would agree that if one is interested in a finance career than Chicago should be a natural choice, although Duke's finance group is very strong and the career opprtunities are abundant. For any other career path, Duke has a better reputation as well as hiring stats than Chicago.
If you add the fact that Duke is considered an ivy league school as well as the cost of living, I would come to an opposite conclusion.
Think about it and go through the hiring statistics for each school…
בתגובה ל: Post Admission Forum #1760In reply to ereman from January 08 2004 on 16:41
If you decide to fly during the winter and choose to fly through Europe, I bet you can find a flight for $500-600, which is less than a month rent.
Secondly, you have to strat looking at the big picture. You're about to spend $100,000+, so one additional flight wouldn't change much. I think it is worth it given that you're making a decision about the place you're going to live in for the next two years. I flew and was happy I did.
I got my insurnace through the school.
בתגובה ל: Post Admission Forum #1756In reply to ereman from January 08 2004 on 13:47
It depends on the location. There are places where you can get housing and others where you have to rent an apartment outside the campus.
While you don't have to visit and base your search on internet and current students, I highly recommend flying and looking for your self. You can do the final arrangements through email and phone, but you should least see for your self.
Regarding the Visa. Only after you register and have all your paperwork (including funding papers) at the school, they would provide you with an I-20, which allows you to go to the consulate and apply for a studnet visa.
Hope this helps.
In reply to omri from December 29 2003 on 00:35
Omer,
Sorry for the late reply. I was in Europe for a week.
I still believe that round 3 is feasible for Fuqua. You do what you think is best.
I would encourage you to learn more about Fuqua and the research triangle park. You'll find out for example that it is the 3rd largest high tech area in the US and the one which is growing the fastest.
The job search was hard, but manageble. I was very focused on the industry I wanted and have worked hard during the two years to build the right experience.
Good luck,
In reply to omri from December 28 2003 on 11:47
Omer,
Round 3 is still a valid option. However, if you're not really intersted, that don't waist your time.
HBS / Stanford are great schools, but are very different than Fuqua. I would think very carefully about what kind of school / experience you're really looking for.
Good luck,
Danny
In reply to dalit from December 17 2003 on 20:53
Dalit,
First, I'm happy I was able to put Fuqua on your list of top places.
The Research Triangle Park (RTP), which is located between Durham and Raleigh, is quickly becoming a very large high tech area as well as biotech.
It attracts people from all over the country because of the number of strat ups, VC companies and academic institutions. It hosts big companies such as IBM, SAS, NORTEL, etc and even some Israeli companies.
Someone with experience shouldn't have a problem finding a job assuming he has the right paperwork, i.e. work authorization / greencard.
Danny
In reply to eshinar from December 16 2003 on 16:13
I think that having a science background is definitely a plus when looking for a job in the biotech industry.
In the last few years, when the economy was slow, pahrma / biotech companies were hiring mostly pople with this background.
However, it is not mandatory. Many people I know from Fuqua got hired without it, especially for large pharmaceutical companies (like Pfizer) where the emaphasis is more on marketing skills than sceince knowledge.
As the economy picks up this industry is about to hire more people, the science background is going to be a plus, but not a prerequisite.
Danny
In reply to dalit from December 16 2003 on 14:36
Hi Dalit,
First, you had asked me about combining marketing and health care and the answer is definitely. Like any other field, health care is driven by consumers. You could think of consumers as being patients, doctors, etc.
The point is that whenever you have consumers, you have marketing.
Since health care is a large industry you would have different types of marketing as pharmaceutical marketing is different from hospital marekting and different from insurance marketing, which are the three main components of the industry.
In regards to Fuqua. I liked the people – we try to bring in very down to earth people. People that could blend in evert type of environemnt and culture. People that really love to have fun.
I liked the fact that the program is not too big and you have a chance to get to know everyone, at least on a first name basis.
Very flexible program without a formal concentration (except for healthcare). The school doesn't produce only finance people or marketing people, but a blend of everything.
I loved North Carolina. It's not the place I would want to spend my life in, but for two years it's a great place. Beautiful and quiet, very relaxing without the addes stress of a big city. Gives you that chance to experience the "real america".
Things I didn't like: terms of 6 weeks could be very stressful and you sometime feel like you haven't really learnd the material.
Great brand name in the US and Europe, but less known in Israel.
Has the perception of being a marketing school.
Hope this helps,
Danny
בתגובה ל: ארכיון 1: ???Any Israeli Applicants #1401In reply to Klier from November 27 2003
You should feel free to ask your interviewer if there's a particular dress code for the interview.
בתגובה ל: ארכיון 1: ???Any Israeli Applicants #1114In reply to omerl from November 06 2003
Omer,
Duke has a reputation as a general management / marketing school. As such, we get a good mix of recruiters including all the I-banks and consulting companies as well as traditional industries such as hi-tech and consumer goods.
Because Duke has just one formal concentration, Healthcare Management, we get a large number of recruiters from this sectors including all the large pharam / biotech (I'm working for Amgen), medical devices and providers (hospitals / HMOs)
Danny
בתגובה ל: ארכיון 1: ???Any Israeli Applicants #1082In reply to yuvala from October 31 2003
Are you currently an MBA student in the US?
Cause if not, you should look into the fine details of recruiting. You'd be suprised to find out exactly how many east coast companies are not willing to travel to the west coast for recruiting.
It's not to say that Stanford or HBS are not a great school, but in terms recruiting most of the companies you could think of will go to almsot all top 10-15 school to recruit and the only difference would be the number. In addtion, there are companies that refrain from going to some of these schools for various reasons.
Some of the school might have an advantage in their local region, Boston in the case of HBS/MIT, but that's understandble becuase it's easier for small companies to recruit close to home.
Just a thouhgt.
בתגובה ל: ארכיון 1: ???Any Israeli Applicants #1064In reply to Assaf Wand from October 29 2003
And you say that based on what?
Look at the placement statistics for some of the schools you mentioned as well as the companies that recruit there.
Top 5 doesn't mean anything. It's all about ones career goals and what school feets them best.
בתגובה ל: ארכיון 1: ???Any Israeli Applicants #975In reply to ortalsharlin from October 22 2003
Hi Ortal,
As the name suggest, this forum is intended for studenst applying for an MBA.
However, I had considered in the past applying for an MSc in environmental eng. and know a bit about the application process. If you're interested feel free to write me back to [email protected]
בתגובה ל: ארכיון 1: שאל את ארינגו: תהליך הקבלה #771In reply to רויטל from September 03 2003
Hi Revital,
I'm also working for Amgen after graduating from Fuqua this past summer. I'm a product manager for Enbrel, which you probably know very well as a former Immunex employee.
Send me your email so we could chat some more about Amgen and the MBA program
Danny
בתגובה ל: ארכיון 1: שאל את ארינגו: תהליך הקבלה #763In reply to bujanov from August 29 2003
Shai,
I just graduated from the HSM (Health Sector Management) program at Duke and started working for Amgen.
Our program has the largest number of MD/MBA's in the country and had a tremendous success in pharma/biotech recruiting in this down time.
If you're interested in more info, don't hesitate to contact me at [email protected]
Dan
בתגובה ל: ארכיון 1: שאל את ארינגו: תהליך הקבלה #564In reply to mba_mb1 from August 02 2003
Duke doesn't require an interview as part of the admission process, but an interview is considered to be an advantage.
Since last year, Duke applicants CAN interview in Israel by an alum living there or by me during the christmas peroid.
Danny
בתגובה ל: ארכיון 1: ???Any Israeli Applicants #433I don't have access to the reports other than to what appears on their web site, which only ranks the top 3.
Danny
בתגובה ל: ארכיון 1: ???Any Israeli Applicants #430Dalit,
US News and World Report publishes general rankings as well as rankings for particular concentrations.
I would caution you though, that these rankings don't really carry a lot of weight as schools always strive to become more "general management" focused and would hire new faculty in areas where they are considered "weak".
If you insist on looking at "marketing" schools, I would probably mention Kellogg and Duke (and not just because this was my school).
Danny
בתגובה ל: ארכיון 1: ???Any Israeli Applicants #390Hi Omer,
Yes, I was one of the panel members at the Fulbright event last December.
First, Fuqua is not considerate to be a "tech" school. On the contrary. I think that on avergae, we have more people with liberal arts background. Another major group at school is what I would call life science, i.e. biology, medicine, chemistry, etc. That is becuase Fuqua supposedly have one of the best health care management programs. This is also the reason I applied to the school. Many of the program graduates found jobs in the pharmaceutical/biotech industry, hospital management and insurance. I have a full time job with Amgen, the largest biotechnology company in the world.
Fuqua has the same recruiters as all other top schools, including the big investment banks, consulting companies and consumer goods products. As I said, We do have an advantage on other schools when it comes to health care companies. Also, the Durham area is part of the research trinagle park, which is considered to be the third largest tech area in the US after the sillicon valley and the boston area. A lot of tech(including IBM, Nortel, Cisco, SAP) and biotech companies provide extra opportunities for people who looking into staying in the south east.
I think Durham is a great city to go to school in. Obviously, it's not NY or boston, but I would consider that an advantage. NC itslef is a beautiful stated.
Fuqua does provide loans to international students without a co-signer.
Danny
בתגובה ל: ארכיון 1: ???Any Israeli Applicants #370It all depends on the company's policy, which is known ahead of time when the recruiting process on campus starts.
If a company doesn't take internationals for whatever reason, that information would be posted at school and most often you wouldn't be able to interview with that company. In this way the question of prefering an American over an international doesn't even arise.
For companies who do take internationals, the process for obtaining a visa is very short and simple.
Danny
בתגובה ל: ארכיון 1: ???Any Israeli Applicants #326Eynat,
How's the full time job outlook at CMU?
Have yo found one?
Danny
בתגובה ל: ארכיון 1: ???Any Israeli Applicants #325Udi,
As a Fuqua alum and a member of the admission committe, I had a chance to interview Israeli applicants.
I would be happy to share my experience on this thread. I agree with what Leanna had to say, but if you have specific questions please post them and I'll try to do my best to answer them.
Danny
בתגובה ל: ארכיון 1: ???Any Israeli Applicants #300Dror,
Sure. no problem. Would be happy to help out.
Danny
בתגובה ל: ארכיון 1: ???Any Israeli Applicants #298Dror,
Fulbright has a very detailed list of Israselis who are currently in b-schools or that have graduated in the past few years.
Check with them.
Danny
בתגובה ל: ארכיון 1: ???Any Israeli Applicants #291Omer,
You'd be suprised to know that there are other people applying to business school who are at the same age as yours or sometimes even older.
True, there aren't too many, but it's definitely not a lost cause. In my class I can think of a least 10-15 who were in the age range of 35-45. I don't think you'll have any problems with the admission committee as they usually don't look at age as the critical factor. I would, however, explain in the essays why did you wait so long to get an MBA and what would be the value of the MBA to someone like you with an extensive managerial experience.
I agree with you that getting an MBA as opposed an EMBA has many advantages when it comes to the job search. You have take into account though that although employers can't discreminate based on age, they tend to prefer younger people and would find an excuse for why they didn't hire you (not that they always tell you). That, ofcourse, varies between the industries with I-banking being the worst industry for older people.
Another thing is the avergae age of your class mates. They will be younger than you. It depends on your personality if you'd fit in or not.
Hope this helps,
Danny
בתגובה ל: ארכיון 1: ???Any Israeli Applicants #269Godizla,
I am not going to argue with you wether the content of my message was appropriate or not, nor do I think it is any of your business.
I have worked very hard to get into business school, and Fuqua, which you so easily dissmised is one of the most prestigious schools in the US, albeit not in Israel. In the current economy, the school has faired much better than others.
Lastly, if you would have known me, you would realize that I have helped so many people over the last two years with their application process. What I wrote was the absolute truth as I had been part of his school's admission commette for the last year and a half.
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It doesn't really matter how schools treat people who have taken the GMAT more then once and improved their score because, with all do respect, your current score wouldn't get you into the top schools.
You don't have any other choice other than improving your score. As to wether you should take a course, I can't really comment since I hadn't taken one, nor most of the Israelis I know. I guess it can't hurt since it gives you a structured environment.
Danny
בתגובה ל: ארכיון 1: ???Any Israeli Applicants #250Nir,
Thank you for posting the Ynet article. Although it depicts a gloomy outlook, I'm sure the situation is not as bad and many companies would appreciate people like us.
Danny
בתגובה ל: ארכיון 1: ???Any Israeli Applicants #247To all those in Israel who read Ynet.co.il,
There is an article today on Ynet that talks about MBA programs in the US and specifically what happens to graduates upon their return to Israel.
As you probably know, Ynet, for a reason I don't fully undersatnd, doesn't not allow free access to the web site for people living abroad. I would appreicate if someone could copy and paste the artice to the bulletin board so all of us here could read it as well.
Danny
בתגובה ל: ארכיון 1: ???Any Israeli Applicants #243To ereman,
I'd be more than happy to share my experiences at Fuqua.
Send me an email and I'll do my best to answer any questions you might have.
Danny
בתגובה ל: ארכיון 1: ???Any Israeli Applicants #231To Mikik,
I applied to business schools three years ago and got accepted to 2 out of the 4 schools I had applied to.
I would recommend using a professional to help you with your application package, first because this is what all, or at least most, of the Israeli applicants are doing (as well as the american students). Second, the amount of money you're going to spend on that is just a drop in the bucket comapred to the overall cost of the program.
I do, however, have two suggestion:
1. Don't choose someone who hasn't gone through and MBA program himslef or that has extensive experience with the application. I heard of some people who are doing it just as a part time job to earn some extra money who have no experience with the system other than having good english skills.
2. Don't let the person write the essays from scratch. It would be way to expensive. Come up with the best draft you can and only then work with the person to improve the essays.
3. Start early. Israeli applicants tend to start the process somewhere in October-November and by then all the consultanats are busy and won't have the time to give your application the full attention it needs.
Danny
בתגובה ל: ארכיון 1: ???Any Israeli Applicants #208To Lior and others,
I was in the same position as you are three years ago when I had to decide whether I should stay in the army or apply for business school.
In my opinion and based on my personal experience, your credentials so far should suffice for the application. The number of years that you have worked does count, but what's more important is what you have accomplished. There is a minimum of work experience required but as soon as you pass that threshold having more is not necessarily better.
It's all about the essays and how you present your experience. In general, b-schools love army officers and you should worry too much.
On a different note, I would say that a strategy of only applying to the current top 5 schools is not an optimal one. First, rankings tend to change and this year's top 5 might change the next year. Second, Israelis in general tend to apply to the same schools and at the end of the day, you're competing just with Israelis. I would recommend applying to schools in the top 10-15 and preferably add some schools that are not traditionally considered to be appealing to Israelis.
Danny
בתגובה ל: Post Admission Forum #151Roy and everyone,
Unfortunately, you can not open a bank account from Israel.
The main reason for that would be the lack of social security number
or any other form of identification. What most people do is go to the
social security office as soon as they arrive to the US and apply for
a SSN. Obtaining the official card would take a couple of weeks, but
you can get the number after 24 hours by dialing to an automatic
service. As soon as you've got the number, you could walk into the
bank and open a checking account.
On that issue I would also add that you should expect to receive a
credit card. The only thing you could apply for and get is a debit
card and a for a credit card only afetr several months (assuming you
don't have prior credit history in the US).Danny
בתגובה ל: Post Admission Forum #146As the commemoration day comes to an end, I would like to wish all
the forum members, whether you're in Israel or in the US,Yom
Ha'atzmaut samech.Danny
בתגובה ל: Post Admission Forum #143Flipping through the different messages, I get the impression that
people are concerned with the perceived quality in Israel of the
different MBA programs. Moreover, it seems that people are
contemplating going back to Israel at the end of their MBA.I think it's highly imperative to stress that going back to Israel at
the end of the MBA is the least desirable strategy. There is no way in
the world one would get his return on investment by earning Israeli
salary (assuming one is not going to work for his family's business or
start his own company). Further, without real experience, the value of
the MBA in the eyes of many Israeli employers would be minimal.
All those receiving an MBA in the US should work for at least 4-5
years, preferably in a well known company. That would ensure not just
that you recoup your investment, but that you have a valuable
experience on your resume that you can leverage when and if you
return. At that point no one would look at the school you came from,
but the experience you gained.
To sum, get into a school that is well recognized in the US (Top10-
15) and not necessarily in Israel and make sure you get a good job.Danny Teleman
Fuqua School of Business
Class of 2003— "awand_99" wrote:
> Hi Aboud,
> both schools are great BUT they don't have a strong enough brand in
> Israel.
> From the two, Chicago (I am going there) have a stronger brand,
> because many people who studied Economics are familiar with the
> school.
> If you are thinking on coming back to Israel after finishing your
MBA
> these are probably not the best schools to do so.
> Naturaly, HBS, Stanford and Wharton but also Columbia and NYU
> moreover, people in Israel would think that Yale is a great MBA
> because of the school's great brand.
> Hope it helps
> Aבתגובה ל: Post Admission Forum #138Hi everyone,
I was recently introduced to the group and I must say that I am
impressed by the activities and initiatives taken so far.As someone who is graduating from Fuqua in 10 days I would like to
see more participation on behalf of current students, but I am sure
that as the message goes out to people, many more would join.One suggestion if I may – it is imperative for this group to create a
database of where people spend their summer internship and/or full
time positions. In this way, we could exchange interview tips and be
able to create contacts with companies.I wish all the new first year students an easy transition and to
those currently in B-school a great summer.
If anyone has any questions regarding Fuqua, I'd be more than happy
to answer.Danny Teleman
Fuqua School of Business
Class of 2003 -
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